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Northwestern Hoops Uni Draws Heavily on Old NBA Design

Northwestern Hoops Uni Draws Heavily on Old NBA Design

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Fascinating series of events yesterday that raise all sorts of interesting questions about the creative process, intellectual property, and so on. Let’s start at Northwestern, where the basketball team unveiled its annual Senior Day uniform, which will be worn this Saturday against Purdue. If the design looks familiar, that’s because it’s based on an old NBA uniform:

Why it’s our old friends, the Vancouver Grizzlies! And the Griz influence isn’t restricted to the jerseys — check out the shorts:

There’s nothing sneaky about any of this. Northwestern’s press release is upfront about the uniform’s inspiration:

For the third time in program history, Northwestern basketball has collaborated with Under Armour to create its latest edition of the ‘By The Players’ uniform. The tradition has evolved to each senior class meeting with UA representatives to help design the uniform they will wear on their Senior Day.

• Northwestern’s senior class met with Under Armour in August 2018 to come up with a concept.

• Design is inspired by NBA uniforms from the 1990s, the decade in which NU players fell in love with the game of basketball. The Grizzles look was one of their favorites and they communicated that to UA.

• UA created a new Wildcat logo that is in line with the look of the 90s. The Wildcat is featured prominently on the shorts and the shooting shirt.

Leaving aside the somewhat dubious explanation for the 1990s influence (a current college senior would typically have been born in 1997, so it’s hard to see how any of the Northwestern players “fell in love” with basketball during the ’90s), it’s interesting to see a college team borrowing from a pro team. The Grizzlies, of course, are no longer in Vancouver, but the franchise still exists in Memphis, so I assumed there must have been an interesting arrangement between Northwestern and Under Armour on one side and the Grizzlies and the NBA on the side in order to make this uniform possible (similar to what happened when the Arkansas football team honored alum Jerry Jones by wearing Cowboys-themed uniforms). At the very least, you figure NU and UA gave everyone a heads-up, right?

But when I got in touch with a Grizzlies source to ask him about this, he expressed surprise at the design. So I went back to Northwestern and asked their media guy if the school had consulted with the Grizzlies or the NBA. I made it clear that I wasn’t playing gotcha or accusing anyone of anything — I was just curious about the creative process on this uniform and was wondering to what extent, if any, the Grizzlies and/or NBA had been involved. He said, “That’s a good question,” and then suggested that I check with Under Armour.

So I went to Under Armour, asked the same thing, and got this response:

The process of this uniform creation was a collaborative journey where our design team met with the NU seniors (I believe it was three separate trips) and talked about the kind of uniform they’d like for Senior Night. In the initial meeting with the team, the Grizzlies were one of those mentioned as an example of uniforms the seniors liked while they were growing up. Our team then came back to Baltimore and created a couple of concepts, which one of them eventually landed as the one for Saturday.

Long story short, the seniors gave us teams they liked while growing up and the style of uniforms they like, and we applied those “wish list” characteristics to the Senior Night uniform.

I thanked him and said, “So, just to confirm, you’re saying there was no consultation with the Grizzlies, right?” His response: “The creative direction came from the era, with the lines, fonts and blocking that were prevalent throughout the ’90s.” At that point I gave up and basically said to myself, “Okay, I’ll take that as a no.”

I’m not sure what to think of this. I’m generally opposed to design poaching, but this seems more like an example of interpretation and homage (something I’ve done myself, although I’d argue that there’s an added meta factor when Uni Watch references a uniform design). It’s worth noting that there are certain uniform designs that have almost become design templates unto themselves, like the Astros’ tequila sunrise design, which is used by countless teams at virtually every level of pro and amateur baseball. So if that’s okay (and I’m pretty sure we all think it is), then why not the Northwestern design?

I’ve never thought of Vancouver uni in that same “template unto itself” category, but maybe it is. After the Northwestern uni began circulating yesterday, Twitter-er Dean Garcia posted this:

Eastern New Mexico University Greyhounds also going with the throwback Grizzlies look for their road uniforms this year. pic.twitter.com/wZjs3RljfP

— Dean Garcia (@deangarcia1) March 7, 2019

All very interesting. I’m just surprised that these colleges and their legal departments weren’t worried about getting some sort of blowback from the NBA.

Meanwhile, just as the Northwestern situation was unfolding, a remarkably similar set of circumstances was developing in Tampa, where the logo for Wrestlemania 36, which will take place at Raymond James Stadium in 2020, was unveiled:

And if that one looks familiar, it’s because it owes a heavy stylistic debt to the logo of Raymond James Stadium’s primary tenant, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers:

I don’t follow pro wrestling, so I have no idea if Wrestlemania logos typically reference the logos of the teams that play at the host venue. But either way, I figured they must have consulted with the Bucs on that, right? So I contacted the Bucs, where a very friendly spokesman said, “I actually do not know the answer to this, so let me see what I can find out.”

He hasn’t gotten back to me yet. I suppose I could contact WWE and ask them, but there are some things I just will not do.

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Mardi Gras scene report: Membership card designer Scott M.X. Turner moved to New Orleans last summer, which means he’s now experiencing his first Mardi Gras. He was pleasantly surprised to see some of the revelers, like the woman shown above, in uni-themed costumes (additional pics showing other uniforms here). He also provided some interesting background info — take it away, Scott:

Most of these are from the Krewe of Red Beans parade. Red Beans krewe members decorate their costumes with…beans. The most interesting designs are the ones that use natural bean colors, though some people paint the beans.

Specifically, these are from the Red Beans sub-krewe Dead Beans — more macabre. The theme this year was Dead Poets. Casey is “Casey At The Bat,” and the Pelicans treatment is Anthony Davis, who’s clearly dead to Pelicans fans these days. I couldn’t tell if there was a sub-sub-krewe of AAGPBL skirts or just Satan 666 and Casey. You, of course, would have gone up to folks and asked. I was too busy being overwhelmed by it all.

Puns are a big part of New Orleans culture — hence the “Great Bambeano” baseball undershirt.

There was a fella dressed as an LSU baseball player. One point for going high-cuffed, point taken away for the abysmal sock execution.

Another very-oft-occurring theme in this year’s carnival season: NFL referees suck.

Every parade had a float or floats dealing with the non-call in the Saints’ NFC Championship Game loss. Lots of throws were yellow penalty flags, lots of referees with canes for the blind. One parade known for its ribald themes, Krewe du Vieux, featured a penis dressed like a ref continually ramming itself into a Superdome with a roof shaped like an ass. You get the idea.

I hope this becomes a tradition whose origin story gets lost in the ether. I’d love for there to be conversations a century from now:

“Mommy, why are there so many people in black-and-white shirts throwing yellow handkerchiefs?”

“I don’t know, darling…something that happened a long time ago when New Orleans was still above water. Grandpa told me once, but I can’t remember what it was…”

Now that, my friends, is a lede-worthy scene report (indeed, it would have been today’s lede if not for the Northwestern thing). Thanks, Scott!

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Whole lotta nothin’: We’ve known for a while now that reliever Adam Ottavino would be wearing No. 0 with the Yankees (thus becoming the first Bronx Bomber ever to do so), but it still looks really weird, right?

And it’s gonna look even weirder when he does it in pinstripes during the regular season.

(My thanks to @kodywiddak for the screen shot.)

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’Haus work: This year marks the 100th anniversary of the founding of the great Bauhaus art school, so some graphic designers have been trying their hand at redesigning some contemporary corporate logos in the Bauhaus style, with very entertaining results. You can see more examples (and larger versions of the ones shown above) here.

(Big thanks to my longtime pal/hero David Greenberger for this one.)

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By Yianni Varonis

Baseball News: Here’s why baseball managers wear uniforms (paywalled) while football coaches no longer wear suits (from @retrojayhawk). … Here’s a fun look at the origins of the Rays’ first branding attempt. … The Reds Hall of Fame and Museum has a new logo (from Matt Bach). … Speaking of the Reds, their 150th-anniversary logo, which will appear on jerseys and caps this season, will also appear on the baseballs at their home games (from our own Alex Hider). … Illinois Secretary of State Jesse White told a local TV station that the state’s most popular vanity plates were Blackhawks- and White Sox-themed. … Only in spring training: Cubs SS prospect Nico Hoerner wore two different uni numbers on consecutive days. … Minor League Baseball has a logo for both opening day as well as opening night (from Al Jones). … From Phil: The Milwaukee Milkmen unveiled the uniforms that they will wear during their inaugural 2019 season. … To celebrate Kentucky Derby season, the Louisville Bats will become the Derby City Mint Juleps for two games later this year (from multiple readers). … New retro-inspired jerseys for Virginia (from @chef__carey). … Marlins photographer Tony Capobianco noticed that OF Curtis Granderson had written “Don’t Think, Have Fun” on his underbrim, and Granderson explained that he’s been doing that on his caps since he was a kid (from Aaron Stock).

Pro Football News: QB Case Keenum was traded from Denver to Washington last night. This published attempt to Photoshop him into a Washington uniform, however, missed the mark on several levels (from Jon Solomonson). … Cross-posted from the baseball section: Here’ why baseball managers wear uniforms while football coaches no longer wear suits (paywalled) (from @retrojayhawk). … The newest Arena Football League team will be the Atlantic City Blackjacks featuring this logo (Mike Chamernik).

College Football News: If you’ve never seen this before, North Carolina is practicing with a football that will emit a sound indicating if it’s not being held tightly enough by a player (from James Gilbert). … LSU produced a video to unveil the next player that will wear No. 7, which in recent history has been worn by standouts (from Griffin Smith). … Air Force is asking fans to vote bracket-style on which alternate helmets they like most.

Hockey News: Prior to last night’s game, the Red Wings painted No. 7 onto their home ice in memory of Ted Lindsay, who passed away this week. In addition, the team wore a memorial patch, coach Jeff Blashell wore a memorial pin, and fans were given memorial placards (from Moe Khan, James Beattie, and Al Kreit). … Last night the Coyotes wore wore first responders-themed sweaters during warmups, featuring NOBs describing the character of first responders (from Peter Quinn). … The Penguins have a new partnership with a Pennsylvania-based tool maker that includes the team logo and head equipment manager’s signature featured on a line of products (from Jerry Wolper and Kevin Krawz). … Cross-posted from the baseball section: Illinois Secretary of State Jesse White told a local TV station that the state’s most popular vanity plates were Blackhawks- and White Sox-themed. … The Quad City Storm will host KISS Night this week during which it will wear KISS-inspired uniforms. … The Cincinnati Cyclones will wear Black Panther-themed sweaters that will be auctioned-off for charity (from @labflyer). … Soccer player Madison Tiernan, who plays for Sky Blue FC, dressed up in the hockey uniform of Metropolitan Riveters G Kimberly Sass, pads and all (from our own Jamie Rathjen). … This is the green sweater that the Chicago Wolves will wear to celebrate St. Patrick’s Day (from Steve Johnston).

NBA News: A writer at Sports Illustrated gave his opinion on how the Lakers should handle the rest of a very disappointing season. Among his suggestions was to “Burn those purple jerseys” because of the black side-panel. Agreed! (From @HitTheGlass.) … The new athletics logo of Contra Costa College was originally just a part of its basketball court design that was inspired by the Cavaliers’ secondary logo.

College Hoops News: Troy G Jasmine Robinson wears “J. Rob” NOB while her teammate, G Kayla Robinson, wears her full last name (from Jonathan Sellers).

Soccer News: Somehow, Manchester United MF Mason Greenwood’s shirt against Paris Saint-Germain had a PSG badge on his back-jersey number (from Phil McDaniel). … It appears that English club Tottenham Hotspur’s third kit has been copied by the top team in Iraq, Al-Shorta SC. … Colorado Springs Switchbacks FC unveiled its new shirt for this upcoming season (from Josh Hinton). … Argentinian club Newell’s Old Boys unveiled new away kits (from Ed Zelaski). … Cross-posted from the hockey section: Sky Blue FC MF Madison Tiernan dressed up in the hockey uniform of Metropolitan Riveters G Kimberly Sass, pads and all (from our own Jamie Rathjen). … Also from Jamie: This really great photograph of Welsh club Cardiff City’s laundry room surfaced featuring other team’s jerseys, most of which are likely opponents the team played. … New home kit for New York Red Bulls II (from Josh Hinton). … New World Cup kits for the Scottish Women’s National Team (from our own Jamie Rathjen). … New home kits for Birmingham Legion FC, the new USL Championship Division franchise (from Brandon Seale).

Grab Bag: President Trump called Apple CEO Tim Cook “Tim Apple” during a public event Wednesday. Making light of the situation, Cook changed the last name on his Twitter account to the Apple logo. … From Phil: In a new deal that was announced yesterday, Nike will continue to be the official outfitter of U.S. Olympic athletes through the 2028 games in Los Angeles. … Canada’s national rugby team recently wore orange shoelaces to raise awareness to the threat of leukemia and to support a four-year-old Canadian girl battling the disease (from @ohhhsourry). … Check out this Michigan State-themed, custom-made carousel horse (from Griffin Smith). … Military appreciation uniforms upcoming for Cleveland State lacrosse (from Ed Zelaski). … Reader Jay Wright shares that a local bank sent his household a mailer specifically to explain its decision to change the company’s logo. … We wrote earlier this week that Goldman Sachs is loosening its dress code. This opinion piece argues why that was the right decision. … British airline Virgin Atlantic will no longer require female flight attendants to wear makeup and has made it easier for them to wear pants. … IKEA’s former head of design recently made the argument that companies need to refocus their energies on designing better products instead of expansive marketing campaigns. … The New York Times recommends the following books chronicling the history of design. … A video of a teenage girl who doesn’t recognize the Metallica logo on a T-shirt has gone viral among metalheads.

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Why MAFS Lizzie’s personality changes when she applies heavy makeup

Why MAFS Lizzie’s personality changes when she applies heavy makeup

Married At First Sight EXCLUSIVE: Psychotherapist reveals why Elizabeth Sobinoff’s personality changes when she applies heavy makeup

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She has been labelled Married At First Sight’s ‘most confident bride’, but could Elizabeth Sobinoff’s habit of wearing heavy makeup suggest otherwise?

Sydney-based counselling psychotherapist Dr Karen Philip believes that Elizabeth adopts a noticeable ‘facade’ when she wears makeup.

Dr Philip told Daily Mail Australia on Thursday: ‘As soon as she puts on that facade, her personality changes. It’s almost like a form of imitation.’

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Married At First Sight EXCLUSIVE: A psychotherapist has revealed why Elizabeth Sobinoff’s personality appears to change when she applies heavy makeup 

Elizabeth’s typical makeup look consists of heavy foundation, defined eyebrows, winged eyeliner, false eyelashes and dark lipstick.

‘When she doesn’t have makeup on she’s a different sort of person, but once the makeup goes on, the voice changes, the lips change, the body language changes and she’s a different individual,’ Dr Philip said.

Dr Philip added that Elizabeth, who is a 27-year-old store manager from Sydney, is a ‘really lovely’ and likeable person when she opts for a more natural appearance.

But once she applies cosmetics, she puts on an ‘animated performance’.

‘It’s almost like a form of imitation’: Sydney-based counselling psychotherapist Dr Karen Philip believes that Elizabeth adopts a noticeable ‘facade’ when she wears makeup 

Changes: According to Dr Philip, Elizabeth is a ‘really lovely’ person when she opts for a more natural appearance. But once she applies cosmetics, she puts on an ‘animated performance’

‘As soon as she puts that makeup on she sees herself as someone that’s not her, and even the way she behaves and her posture changes. It’s really interesting,’ Dr Philip observed.

She added that it’s possible Elizabeth is – consciously or subconsciously – ‘imitating’ someone who wears similar heavy makeup.

Dr Philip explained that some people feel stronger and more determined when they take on another personality, which is what may be the case with Elizabeth.

Expert opinion: ‘As soon as she puts that makeup on she sees herself as someone that’s not her, and even the way she behaves and her posture changes,’ Dr Philip (pictured) observed 

Elizabeth first offered MAFS viewers a glimpse of her natural appearance before her wedding to tradesman Sam Ball, which aired earlier this month.

Appearing without any makeup, many fans remarked on Twitter at the time that she looked like a completely different person. 

Married At First Sight continues Sunday at 7pm on Channel Nine

Troubled marriage: Elizabeth is paired with tradesman Sam Ball on Married At First Sight

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Podcast: What is Schadenfreude?

Podcast: What is Schadenfreude?

We’ve all experienced it – that feeling of smug

happiness at another person’s misfortune

. From someone slipping on a banana peel to a jerk receiving a dose of instant karma, there’s something satisfying about this strange emotion. Why is that? Are we living in an “Age of Schadenfreude”? Should we feel guilty about feeling it? And for crying out loud, how do we say it in English?  Listen in to find out!

About Our Guest

Dr. Tiffany Watt Smith is a cultural historian and author of The Book of Human Emotions. In 2014, she was named a BBC New Generation Thinker, and her TED talk The History of Emotions has over 1.5 million views. She is currently a Wellcome Trust research fellow at the Centre for the History of the Emotions at Queen Mary University of London. In her previous career, she was a theater director. Her latest book, SCHADENFREUDE: The Joy of Another’s Misfortunes is available for purchase.

TOXIC RELATIONSHIPS SHOW TRANSCRIPT

Editor’s NotePlease be mindful that this transcript has been computer generated and therefore may contain inaccuracies and grammar errors. Thank you.

Narrator 1: Welcome to the Psych Central show, where each episode presents an in-depth look at issues from the field of psychology and mental health –  with host Gabe Howard and co-host Vincent M. Wales.

Gabe Howard: Hello everyone and welcome to this week’s episode of the Psych Central Show podcast. My name is Gabe Howard and with me as always is Vincent M. Wales. And today we have a great guest all the way from the U.K. We’re fairly certain that this is our first guest who actually lives in… is it England? Can we say England or do we have to say U.K.? It shows you how well travelled I am.

Tiffany Watt Smith: You can say… I’m in London, you can say England or U.K.

Gabe Howard: Wonderful. I have heard of London, so I feel very good… but before we move much smurther… Ugh. Let me start that over… But before we go much smur… [Laughter from guest and co-host.]

Vincent M. Wales: Am I experiencing schadenfreude?

Gabe Howard: Oh, man… Yes! We did that on purpose, everyone, so that I could introduce Dr. Tiffany Watt Smith. She’s a senior research fellow at the Queen Mary University of London Centre for History of Emotions and she’s the author of a couple of books, one of which is the Book of Human Emotions and a new book that’s out, Schadenfreude: The Joy of Another’s Misfortune. Right out of the gate, Tiffany, welcome. Thank you so much for being here and…

Tiffany Watt Smith: Thank you for having me.

Gabe Howard: Thanks for mocking my mispronunciation of everything. I want everybody to know that I did that intentionally for illustrator purposes.

Vincent M. Wales: Uh huh.  Uh huh. Great. All right, I have to ask this right up front: what exactly is the Centre for the History of Emotions?

Tiffany Watt Smith: Well, we are a group of researchers in London – there’s a few different research groups around the world who look at the history of emotions. But what we look at is how ideas about emotions have changed over time, how different some emotions come into fashion, like boredom in the 19th Century and others sort of drop away so that there are some emotions which used to exist that no longer do. But the main thing we’re really interested in is trying to understand the origins of some of the emotions that we care most about today. So a lot of us look at the histories for example of happiness and the whole wellbeing agenda and we look at the history of anxiety and shame and things like that. I mean look at all kinds of sources whether we’re looking at literature and art or philosophy and medicine to try and understand the way thinking about emotions has changed across time.

Gabe Howard: That is very cool and of course one of the things that you are looking into is the emotion where somebody gains joy when something bad happens to another personm which is referred to as – and I’m going to butcher the wordm I always do – Shroydenfrada.

Vincent M. Wales: You sure did!

Tiffany Watt Smith: Schadenfreude, yeah, again on purpose. Good mispronunciation.

Vincent M. Wales: Yes.

Tiffany Watt Smith: So schadenfreude. Yeah. Literally, “schaden” from harm or damage, and “freude” meaning joy, so “damaged joy.” And it means the glee or quiet smug self-satisfaction that we might feel when witnessing someone else’s accidental misfortune or minor mishap.

Vincent M. Wales: Yeah, we’ve all experienced that and I think a lot of us, immediately following that, experience guilt for feeling that way.

Tiffany Watt Smith: Absolutely. I mean I think that this is one of the reasons why I was so drawn to this topic. I mean not many people write about schadenfreude. Although certainly over the centuries, people have wondered about this emotion. Why do we feel it? What kind of situations do we feel it in? Is it ever morally okay to feel like this? And certainly I think what I found was that schadenfreude is a hugely interesting and often quite paradoxical feeling/emotion because, on the one hand, it seems to be rather possibly spiteful or malicious even, you know sort of enjoying seeing someone who is more successful than you not getting that promotion, enjoying seeing that effortlessly attractive friend getting dumped, you know whatever whatever that thing is. But at the same time, schadenfreude does link in to some of those things that we value most in our human societies. The thing that stands out most to me is justice. One of the reasons why we feel schadenfreude, often, is because we feel that someone’s getting a kind of deserved comeuppance. It’s only fair that they should suffer in some way. So you know someone shoves past you in the queue at the supermarket and then their credit card is declined, or they steal your parking spot and then bang the front of their car. You know, these little things that kind of give us a little jolt of pleasure in our day. I think we think, well, it’s karma. You know, they deserved it. Maybe next time they won’t be so you know… try to get one over on us and so on. So I think the schadenfreude might seem quite antisocial, but actually often when we think about it more, we can understand that is really connected to you know very cherished ideas about justice and fairness, as well.

Gabe Howard: You brought up the word karma. Is this just karma? Is it something more? And is there an English word for this or is it really just schadenfreude. I’m gonna get it right before the end of the show.

Tiffany Watt Smith: There is no English word for this particular pleasure, although over the centuries people have had a go at trying to invent one. So around the 16th Century, someone tried to introduce “epicaricacy,” but that is a real mouthful and that definitely did not catch on because about a hundred years later, you’ve got people saying oh why don’t we did we have a word for this in English?

Gabe Howard: And I can’t pronounce that word either so I’m glad that one didn’t work.

Tiffany Watt Smith: Yeah, that was a terrible ugly word. It comes from the ancient Greeks for this particular feeling. But certainly many other cultures and languages have a word for this, but you better to ask me to pronounce it, because I definitely can’t. But they are in Danish and in French, the Japanese have a saying, a really wonderful saying, that the misfortunes of others taste like honey. So this idea is around in many different languages, but in English I can only assume that over the centuries we’ve found the idea so distasteful and believe that it’s not us that feel like this but any other people, that we’ve just never quite given this a name.

Gabe Howard: It’s interesting that you said only other people feel this way when we’ve all felt this way. I personally felt this way and I consider myself to be a good person. I know that Vin has felt this way and and I will personally vouch that Vin is a good person. But it is sort of a… like you said, people feel guilt about it. What is up with that? Is it just part of our makeup? Is there a biological need to feel this way? Why… you study emotions; why do we have this?

Tiffany Watt Smith: So there’s lots of different questions there, and just to say upfront I absolutely recognize the guilt and the discomfort around it. And even after having spent a long time writing a book about it, in which I was in the situation where I have to confess my terrible schadenfreude crimes, I still feel a certain amount of awkwardness talking about it. So maybe the question about why we might feel guilty about it we can come back to, but there’s certainly lots of reasons why we might feel this emotion and yes, why we might be primed to feel like this. You know I’ve already mentioned about justice and how important it is actually that we enjoy seeing transgressors get some kind of comeuppance and it’s fairly obvious, I think, to assume that you know those pleasures are have been ingrained in us from a very early stage in our social evolution, because human society depends on justice to run smoothly. So it makes sense that we would enjoy seeing transgressors exposed or embarrassed or punished in some way. Again, I think that makes sense in forms of fairness you know when we sense that someone has perhaps got a bigger slice of the cake than we have, you know someone who’s very wealthy or seems to have all the talent or all the lark or you know… and then we see that person sort of not quite get what they want. You know, perhaps get tripped up in some way, that the enviably good looking person in your school gets a huge spot on the day of the dance, something stupid like that. It gives us a little a feeling of you know that the playing field has been leveled again. Things feel a bit fairer. Again, very important for our society to survive, but also important because you know we find ourselves as humans living in groups constantly comparing ourselves to one another, trying to make sure that we are not falling too far behind, and making sure that we can get a good share of the resources and so on. And so in these kind of small, competitive ways, which are completely normal and natural, even if they don’t always feel very pleasant, then schadenfreude does play an important part, because it’s sort of a little moment of recognition that oh yes this person that we were competing with, you know, slightly fallen behind and that makes us feel a little boost that we might be just about getting ahead. I think that kind of completely normal.

Gabe Howard: So it’s like a boost of confidence that maybe pushes us a little further and allows the gap to shorten a little you know from the “we can’t overcome” to “wait, I see a possibility.”

Tiffany Watt Smith: So the pleasure isn’t simply you know ha ha you’ve fallen flat on your face, it’s also a sense of optimism and potential for us, for our thing that we’re trying to get going. One of the areas I think this is really fascinating with actually is in relation to work, in the workplace, there’s so much schadenfreude in the workplace. Particularly, I think, in relation to those who are our superiors you know, our bosses and so on, and there’s nothing sort of more delightful really than seeing that person who wields power over you. you know. experience some minor embarrassments. because it allows us to kind of feel that you know that that sort of possibly not very nice boss. you know. when they have or experience some sort of mishap, it allows us to kind of see a little chink, little glimpse of possibility where we might sort of steal back a tiny bit of power of our own. Psychologically I think that’s very important.

Vincent M. Wales: So basically what you’re saying is that despite this sounding like a rather spiteful and awful emotion to suffer, we might actually get something positive out of it.

Tiffany Watt Smith: I think of course we do get something positive out of it because it is gives us pleasure and that is hugely important. But yes that positivity may actually sort of extend to thinking about ways in which we form more coherent and stable societies, which I think is the unexpected thing about schadenfreude. I think schadenfreude works in all kinds of other ways too. One of the things that found again and again in the research on this emotion is that it really does help bond groups together, and this isn’t unexpected. I think we’ve all seen this example with rival sports teams. You know schadenfreude is you know taking pleasure in you know the own goal of the other side. That’s one way in which a team can really bond together, it’s not just that you put the other side down, it’s also that you laugh together, you feel pleasure together, laughing together is a very bonding and important experience. Now of course that can go too far and it can have quite unpleasant effects, so we can talk about that perhaps in a bit. But we do see schaudenfreude playing this really important role in cohering groups together. Actually, there’s been some research on laughter that suggests that this may have really been a very important mechanism far far back in the evolutionary past. There was a study done at the University of Oxford by Robin Dunbar who’s an evolutionary psychologist. And he was looking all kinds of laughter, but fell on looking at… a sort of belly laughing, you know when you’re laughing so hard that it actually hurts. And it’s only humans that have this kind of laughter. And he found that people only ever laughed like that in response to slapstick. So people falling over, you know, hitting themselves on the head with buckets and so on. And he found that when people laughed like that, then shortly after they were able to withstand much greater pain than they were beforehand or if they laughed in some other way.

Gabe Howard: So The Three Stooges were saving lives. [laughter]

Tiffany Watt Smith: Well this is what he’s suggesting, he’s saying that perhaps this kind of slapstick entertainment has been part of our you know our cultural heritage for a really really long time. And when our distant ancestors were all laughing together around a fire at someone, you know, pretending to get hit on the toe with a hammer, that actually that laughter was important not just because it bonded people into those groups that were crucial for survival, but also because it allowed people to cope in very hostile and dangerous environments where there was a lot of pain. I thought it was really intriguing.

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Vincent M. Wales: Welcome back, everyone. We’re here with Dr. Tiffany Watt Smith discussing schadenfreude.

Gabe Howard: I think that comedians for a long time, and even myself, I’m not a comedian, but I do public speaking, and I know that if I make fun of myself, then the audience is more likely to laugh and there’s comedians that have made their whole careers about talking about how they’re bad friends bad, you know, they’re ugly or they’re fat or they’re worthless or they’re pointless or, you know, this self-deprecating humor is just very common in our society. Is that an example of schadenfreuden? Nope… still got it wrong.

Tiffany Watt Smith: I think that that is really one of the most neglected forms of schadenfreude in that when people write about schaudenfreude, they really don’t often talk about this particular phenomenon. And I think this is an example of how we use schadenfreude all the time. I mean, if you start a new job, you know you’ll go into that office or that new group of people and you will tell a self-deprecating story of some terrible disaster that happened to you on the way to work. You know, you do it not just to entertain people, but so that you are seen as less of a threat. You know, that the kind of person who is coming into a new group or is the outsider always seems like a threatening person. So those kind of stories allow people to laugh at you and laugh with you, laugh at your expense, I suppose. And that’s, you know is a way of being accepted into the group as much as it is a way of giving everyone else pleasure. And as you say, you know it’s an absolute staple of standup comedy. Standup comics know that people enjoy hearing about the suffering of other people. And standup gives them a license to enjoy it,  I think.

Gabe Howard: And schadenfreude is also an example of the millionaire with the tax problem or the very tall person who bangs his head on the doorway and things like that. These are all little examples of where they have something very desirable, but that desirable thing also has a negative. So maybe it’s like every silver lining has a cloud? Or am I oversimplifying or undersimplifying?

Tiffany Watt Smith: I think one of the things that I found when I was trying to tackle writing this book was that you know this is a very complex emotion. You know there are some emotions which feel like quite simple to think about because it’s a trigger and a response. And it’s kind of one thing you know, scary bear you know your heart rate races and you and you run away. Schadenfreude isn’t quite like that kind of emotion. It’s what psychologists call the cognitive emotion. So a cognitive emotion means that it is involved with appraising and judging a situation and doing all kinds of sort of very fast mental calculations to work out whether someone really deserves it whether it’s really funny or whether in fact this person needs our help, whether they really injured themselves or whether they’ve just sort of suffered some minor embarrassment. Yes, all of these complicated things are going on when we experience schadenfreude. And we experience it in relation to a kind of vast range of different sorts of phenomena or in a vast range of different kind of situations. So sometimes it can be as simple as someone slipping on a banana skin or the Three Stooges. And sometimes it’s to do with you know that seeing someone who we think has behaved really unfairly being called out or lambasted in the media. And yeah and sometimes it is these situations where we feel, you know we almost tell ourselves that, you know there’s a highly desirable trait, you know being very tall, being very glamorous. I don’t know, being very clever or being able to speak twelve languages, you know has in fact got its downside. And this is part of a little trick we will play on ourselves and I’m sure we all do it. You know, a way of just making life’s inevitable unfairnesses that little bit more palatable. It’s not just us that experience difficulty, failure, embarrassment. You know everyone does. And I think that’s what we want to remind ourselves of that, continually.

Vincent M. Wales: I don’t think it should be any surprise to anyone that the schadenfreude is a complex emotion because most emotions are. You think about all the different forms of love that we have. The Greeks had several different names for the different types. So it stands to reason that that this would be in the same category, right?

Tiffany Watt Smith: My last book, The Book of Human Emotions, and I did a TED talk about this as well, makes exactly this argument that it doesn’t really make sense to distinguish between very simple emotions and complex or cognitive emotions because actually all emotions have this very powerful cognitive element and in fact you know even something as simple as apparently simple as fear has a hugely rich history and changes so much across different cultures that actually fear emerges as a very complicated emotion that seems to have very different kind of physical and experiential responses when we feel it. So, yeah, thanks for pulling me up on that because actually, you know I want to make the point that schadenfreude is perhaps more of an appraisal or a judgment-based emotion than some others. But as you say, you know all emotions have this richness and complexity.

Gabe Howard: Now Vince and I are based here in America and I know you live in London, so this might be somewhat of a difficult question to answer just because, you know the different cultures, but we both have the Internet. And when somebody falls down or gets hurt or something bad happens, that video or message will will go viral pretty easily, whereas when somebody does something well or something good, it doesn’t get seen as much and you know, in America we have a lot of unrest as far as you know political parties and race and even you know gender and sexuality. Are we living in the age of schadenfreude? Are we just excited when bad things happen to people that we have dubbed our enemies? And I know that’s a big big question. But it seems like we’re almost searching out for bad things to happen to people. And you know with with Facebook and the Internet it’s easier and easier to find.

Tiffany Watt Smith: Yeah, I mean this phrase “an age of schadenfreude” was again was one of the reasons why I became interested in this topic, because you know when you’re a historian of emotions, you know this kind of phrase you know we’re living in an age of blah blah blah emotion is very tantalizing, you know, what is it about this emotion that makes people feel like it really defines the spirit of their time? And you certainly get over the centuries people saying well you know how in the 18th Century you were living in an age of sympathy. The 19th Century living in an age of boredom. In the early 20th Century, we’re living in an age of anxiety. Anyway now we are living in an age of schadenfreude. I think I do absolutely recognize what you’re describing, which is that sort of apparently insatiable hunger for the spectacle of failure. You know, whether that is or particularly, I think, if that is a politician. But certainly anyone in our sort of disliked you know enemy camp, as it were, and we see that person mess up in some way, there’s a kind of celebration. And celebration seems to be more public than it ever has been. I think there’s two important things to think about. I mean one is obviously that schadenfreude has always been with us. But it is a lot more visible now than it used to be because of the Internet, because of the ways in which we can demonstrate and register our pleasure in likes and shares you know thumbs up and so on. And you know that that would never have been that would just wouldn’t have been possible in the same way, you know even 30 years ago. So in a sense schadenfreude is much more visible than it used to be. But there’s also something about the way in which the Internet works that I think possibly exacerbates our schadenfreude. As I said we’ve spent a lot of schadenfreude when we feel or perceive that someone’s misfortune or mishap is deserved in some way. Now if you spent 10 minutes wandering around your local streets, you’re probably not going to encounter many situations that outrage you. And many examples of terrible injustice being carried out. But if you spend 10 minutes wandering around the internet, you are going to see lots of injustice coming at you. Whether that’s looking at the news, whether that’s looking at even at your local Facebook group with everyone complaining about that slighting or the person who doesn’t pick up their dog poo or whatever it is. You know, so there’s all sorts of unfairnesses and outrage being prompted online. But also it’s much easier for us to register our disapproval, to tell someone off, and to enjoy the spectacle of someone being told off when they’re online than it is in our face to face interactions. Because of course you know if you see someone on the street doing something wrong, you’re unlikely to march up to that person and tell them off and you’re certainly not going to stand there and point and laugh at them if someone else tells them off, because you know you might get punched or, you know you might risk some other kind of social embarrassment. But you know when we’re online, you know we’re completely protected from that. And there’s very little risk in calling someone out and enjoying it. So I think that the Internet I think makes schadenfreude a much more visible. But it also I think creates an environment where we can really let our schadenfreude rip and that is something that I think is really important for us to be aware of. And that’s why I think this emotion is very interesting for us to think about now, and because as you say schadenfreude becomes hugely powerful when we are divided into enemy camps and, you know when we’re we’re in rivalries and these rival groups are set against each other. You know, study after study shows that schadenfreude is very powerful when we’re in groups and very powerful when we’re rivals. And so it’s a very you know it’s a powerful combination of things you know very strong divisions, for example politically as there are here in the UK at the moment certainly. And then also this platform, online platforms, that make it very easy to share and enjoy our glee at the other side’s misfortune. So that was a very long answer to that question. I mean there is another reason why I think that the age of schadenfreude might have caught our attention at moments, and it might be that we’re feeling… I think we are feeling more schadenfreude than before. And I think it’s definitely more visible. But we’re also more anxious about schadenfreude, I think, for the last hundred years there’s really no articles published with the word schadenfreude in the title. But since about the year 2000, there’ve been hundreds published. So there’s a sudden influx of interest amongst psychologists and philosophers and social scientists and so on about schadenfreude. And this real interest comes off the back of you know the surge of interest from the 1990s onwards in empathy. So schadenfreude in this context is presented as the opposite of empathy or the failure of empathy, empathy’s shadow… And so this is a sense why people got quite anxious and worried about schadenfreude. But since empathy is so desirable, what does schadenfreude tell us about ourselves? Now I personally think this opposition between schadenfreude and empathy is problematic and doesn’t quite work. But nonetheless this is one of the reasons why we’ve got so interested in schadenfreude today.

Vincent M. Wales: Well I had a question that you already answered…

Gabe Howard: That’s how good you are!

Vincent M. Wales: Yeah I was going to bring up compassion and empathy and you’ve already touched on that, so great.

Gabe Howard: We really appreciate it.

Vincent M. Wales: And we are probably about out of time, too.

Tiffany Watt Smith: Okay. Oh sorry I just rattled on.

Gabe Howard: No please don’t apologize, it’s fantastic. Thank you so much. We learned so much. I saw a Broadway musical, Avenue Q, where they had a song that had schadenfreude in it and it was you know funny, obviously they explain it for the purpose of humor, not for education. So we’re very excited to have you on this to lend to it because it’s a very popular musical here in the States so I imagine a lot of people have some little bit of information about schadenfreude but not as much as you just gave us. So we really appreciate it. How do we find you? What’s your website, book?

Tiffany Watt Smith: I have a university website so if you just Google my name that will come up. I’m on Twitter.

Gabe Howard: What’s your Twitter handle?

Tiffany Watt Smith: DoctorTiffWattSmith.

Gabe Howard: Beautiful beautiful. And of course your book, is it available on Amazon, where fine books are sold?

Tiffany Watt Smith: I’m sure it’s available anywhere where fine books are sold.

Gabe Howard: Excellent. And you have the two books, what are the name of the two books?

Tiffany Watt Smith: So there The Book of Human Emotions and this one is called Schadenfreude: The Joy of Another’s Misfortune.

Gabe Howard: Wonderful, thank you so much for being here, we really enjoyed having you.

Vincent M. Wales: Yes we did.

Tiffany Watt Smith: Thanks for having me. It’s great to talk to you.

Gabe Howard: You’re very welcome and thank you everybody else for tuning in and remember, you can get one week of free, convenient, affordable, private, online counselling anytime, anywhere by visiting betterhelp.com/PsychCentral. We’ll see everybody next week.

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Behar introduced a photo of herself in an old Halloween costume where she dressed as a “beautiful African woman” at a Halloween party in the 1970s when she was 29 years old, in a segment in which the panel were discussing curly hair which aired back in 2016.

Amid the current media firestorm over blackface costumes worn by Democrat politicians in the past, The Wrap media editor Jon Levine seized the moment and shared the controversial clip (and the reaction to it) on Twitter.

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The show even ran an image of the old photo pic.twitter.com/qKQqzDPxyn

— Jon Levine (@LevineJonathan) February 6, 2019

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I hate joy behar as much as the next man. Its actually a flattering photo. I don’t see any reason to freak out.

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The standard for blackface has always included a certain level of mockery. Behar’s photo doesn’t meet that standard. If she wore that today, she’d definitely get the side eye, but it’s not blackface.

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C’mon everyone, are we really this petty?

She admired a look that was hip & popular at the time, and thus emulated it. Seems perfectly ok & normal. This is why context matters and anti-cultural appropriation is BS.

— 𝟙𝟛ẗḧ𝔊𝔢𝔫𝔢𝔯𝔞𝔩 🕹️🤖 (@iamshawnjones) February 6, 2019

One of these things is not like the other…

Don’t try to act like black people should be just as offended by the left photo, Joy Behar, as we are by the foolishness on the right.

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I tend to agree. But its the left who have set the standards. Megan Kelly was fired for merely suggesting its ok. So in order to apply those standards fairly Behar has got to be fired as well.

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Yet Megyn Kelly was FIRED for simply asking why it was offensive if you ADMIRE the person you’re dressing up as?? Where’s your condemnation on this @alroker ? “Whew, Joy is on a dif network, so I don’t have to comment”

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The hypocracy is strong with this one…

— 🇺🇸 SparHawk (@SparHawk1776) February 7, 2019

Megyn Kelly suggested that putting on dark makeup while dressing as a black person you admire may be okay. Joy Behar actually wore the costume. Kelly should be fired for suggesting it but Behar did nothing wrong in actually doing it? That’s totally incoherent. https://t.co/jWuFK4hGks

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